Where Do Thoughts Come From?

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By Green Lotus

Have you ever had an epiphany?...a sudden realization that came out of nowhere and gave you fresh insight into a situation or miraculously solved a problem? Where did this seemingly original idea come from? Did it emerge from within the deepest crevice of your brain? Was it pulled out of your nervous system? Perhaps it came from somewhere outside of your brain?

We’ve all had sudden inspirational thoughts that gave us pause to ponder the mysteries of the mind and the universe, but when you take a step back and examine the very act of thought as being a mysterious maneuver, things get even more interesting.

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Here’s a cool analogy I recently happened upon

…If thoughts come from our brain (as we suspect), then it’s logical to say that music comes from the radio, or my ipod.

It’s a ridiculous notion, but the analogy would seem highly logical to one unaware of sound waves or radio transmissions. We as human beings are comfortable with the familiar. Most of us understand the how radios and ipods transmit music. Fewer embrace newer, abstract concepts such as thought waves and quantum energy fields that may provide us with alternative answers. A lot of people still require the whole dog and pony show presenting “real” (visual) data that things really exists.

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What is Thought?

Science has yet to discover a molecule in your brain labeled for “thought”; in fact, the mind has never been found within the brain; at least not by surgeons. They haven’t found your “spirit” either but most people believe we still possess one.

Philosophers have been thinking about “thought” for centuries, attempting to understand the relationship between the physical brain and the mind, (the word frequently synonymous with thought). There are several accepted schools of thought, specifically “Dualism” and “Monism”.

Although each school branches into many diverse and complex areas of interpretation, there are basic philosophical positions surrounding “mind-body” Dualism and Monism.

Those hailing from the school of duality, including Plato, Aristotle and Descartes believe that the body acts like a machine and the mind is in someway separate from the brain. The Cartesian theory (i.e Descartes) defended a philosophical position compatible with most religions, claiming that the mind (or soul) occupies an independent "realm" of existence distinct from that of the physical world; (think “The Matrix”).

Socrates, who inspired the whole notion of Duality, believed that the mind already contained everything there was to know and that thoughts just needed prompting. His “Socratic” method of inquiry was designed to “ask questions that would draw out the knowledge that was already in the mind”.

“Monism” maintains that the mind and body are indistinguishable; one entity, yet both are aspects of nature or God or simply something else “out there”. Hinduism is considered to be the primary proponent of Monism, although Parmenides in the 5th Century BC along with the 17th Century rationalist Baruch Spinoza, also promoted the premise that the brain and mind are one entity.

The “idealist” school of thought springs from Monism but takes it a step further, postulating that the mind is really all that exists and that the world we perceive is either mental itself, or an illusion created by our mind. In simpler terms, everything we perceive to be real, is made up of our ideas, our consciousness and our mind. Modern idealists date back to Immanuel Kant and David Hume in the 18th century.

Idealism was replaced by modern day Materialism, brought about by technology that rejected all notions of spirit and soul in favor of scientific proof.

Today, popular scientists and philosophers have given new credibility to Monism and Idealism as scientific advancements allow us to better understand spirit, soul and consciousness. “Old” thinking suddenly becomes “New” thinking.

So where do thoughts come from?

I, like many modern thinkers (if I may humbly deem myself as such), lean towards idealistic thinking, although I do not consider myself to be religious as were the early idealists. I strive to be less materialistic and more idealistic in the modern sense of the word. I believe it is possible that our mind/brain subconsciously taps into a universal source of ideas and memories; - a common mind field from which information is exchanged. We can’t see or feel it, but science is advancing to the point that we know it’s out there. We may call it “higher intelligence” or “the quantum soup”, but it is where all matter and energy in the universe come together.

Those who practice meditation or pray to a deity, feel that they can access that field of information and intelligence more easily simply by quieting their mind and stepping back from the physical plane in which we live.

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Popular modern philosopher Deepak Chopra, (a proponent of monism/idealism), has said, “The world is actually in you, as images, thoughts, sensations, memories, and projections. You are more real than the material world and closer to the creative source.” It’s certainly something to think about if you enjoy exploring questions such as, "Where Do Thoughts Come From?".

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So take this philosophical musing, as a positive call to let go of what you think must be so. Remember the Scarecrow in the Wizard of Oz? He was one of the cleverest thinkers in the cast of characters and he didn’t even “think” he had a brain. He also became a national icon for common sense and intuitive wisdom.

Allow yourself think deeply and try on forward-thinking possibilities. You’re already tapping into the vast mystery of life itself; just don’t filter the wonder with any roadblocks, old dogmas, or radio transmissions; after all, scientific theories, social conventions and FDA warnings all inevitably change for the better as we wise up.

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timorous Level 4 Commenter 16 months ago

Hi G.L. Very interesting stuff. I believe our minds have the capacity to hold a nearly infinite number of thoughts. Some of them fleeting, some..important information we need to know about living in the physical world..i.e. problem-solving. I think most of the latter is learned and assimilated as we go along.

Spiritual thoughts are something separate, though I'm not religious. I think I'll leave it at that.

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Green Lotus Hub Author 16 months ago

Timorous - the study of "thought" is so fascinating, layered, and constantly evolving which I found to be quite challenging in presenting this article. Thanks for being the first here..I appreciate your thoughts on the matter :)

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Jeromeo Level 2 Commenter 16 months ago

If you consider that man was originally intended to live forever, then the wonder of the mind's ability to hold vast amounts of knowledge is quite normal.

As far as an epiphany, and where the thought came from. Another wonder of the mind is its ability to solve problems. Our subconscious is always at work deciphering and calculating the probabilities of things we see and hear every day.

When we are awake the our brains are busy taking in sights and sounds but when we sleep our internal personal secretaries go to work sorting our and cataloging information.

Some of our thoughtful revelations are evolved and finally come to light as minute understandings,others are so overwhelming as to numb are conscious thoughts and leave us breathless,wondering...How did I do that?

Nice Hub G-L, thought provoking and illuminating at the same time.

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De Greek Level 2 Commenter 16 months ago

Strange you should say that. I went through a period where I had one great money making idea after another and they all made so much money, I thought that I was the golden boy, One night I dreamed of an idea of such simplicity and of such potential that I woke up amazed that no one had thought of it before. Pleased with myself that I had another winner, I went back to sleep. When I woke next morning, I could not for the life of me remember what it was! :-))

I have been tortured by this event ever since :-))))))

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Joni Douglas 16 months ago

Fascinating read. I have often woke with the solution laid out to a problem that I have been stewing over.

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Green Lotus Hub Author 16 months ago

Jeromeo - Good to see you and thanks for adding your "thoughts" on the subject! I agree with you and I also think our "secretaries" are out there somewhere allowing us to tap into a great pool of wisdom.

De Greek - I love that story! How fortuitous to have such a gift! Do you now keep a pen and paper by the beside? If not, you must read my Hub on how to write in the dark, (although you probably have done so :) Cheers!

Joni - There are a few great thinkers in my family who share your gift. They say once we calm down, clear out the clutter and stop "thinking" so hard, the answers have room to emerge...(or enter our thinking from somewhere out there )! Thanks for stopping by.

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BlissfulWriter Level 5 Commenter 16 months ago

Interesting thought. Definitely, something for your mind to think about and a good use of one's brain.

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DzyMsLizzy Level 7 Commenter 16 months ago

Interesting! Bookmarked to read again later, at a slower pace!

My own most recent "epiphany" (and I called it just that when I ran to share with my husband!), came while I was working on cleaning some green ware ceramics...I was thinking about how it was stronger in one direction than the other, and recalling how his explanation for that had been simply, "Archimedes' Arch."

A year has passed since that answer to my query, and as I sat cleaning the same items again, my brain wandered back to that, and I was 'gifted' with this sudden flash:

"Archimedes did not "discover" the arch. He merely borrowed the concept from a much older invention: the wheel."

It was a leap of understanding, and in that moment, I experienced what Archimedes himself must have experienced. That "AHA!" moment. Love it when that happens!

Great article!

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Green Lotus Hub Author 16 months ago

Blissfull - Thinking about thinking is always good food for thought. Thanks.

MzLizzy what a great story! Thanks for sharing your Eureka moment. It's a great example of pulling information from a great pool of knowledge - mixing it with what you already know.

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Teylina Level 6 Commenter 16 months ago

Thoroughly enjoyed this--having not only studied much of it, but having "thought" where the occasional epiphany I've had came from--knowing only that it came from my truly subcon-scious level. Loved the feedback from Jeromeo and MzLizzy, and, of course, Joni, since they summed up all my feelings to this piece. Fascinating the way you took it apart and put it together, and Jeromeo hit the nail on the head.

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jeyaprakash84 16 months ago

It is a good topic. When we think we use our mind. When a new thought or an idea enters the mind, I hope it is from higher self. When we merge our limited self to the higher self, we get access to that infinite knowledge, this is what the eastern philosophy claims.

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Green Lotus Hub Author 16 months ago

Teylina - nice to meet you and thanks for your kind words. It's always so rewarding when comments lead to a lively and intelligent discussion, providing new insight!

jeyaprakash- I am a admirer of eastern philosophy too. It's interesting, in researching this Hub I discovered that the ancient Greek philosophers and even some of the 18th century ones borrowed and expanded on the ancient Hindu philosophies too. Namaste!

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fucsia Level 3 Commenter 16 months ago

Very interesting Hub. We can improve our ability to thinking.... And the more we have confidence in our thoughts, the more our mind communicates those intuitions, that often help us more than hours of reflections.

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Rhonda Waits Level 2 Commenter 16 months ago

Food for thought a great hub Green Lotus. I often wondered where some of my ideas cam from. Thanks for doing the research for us.

Sweet wishes Rhonda

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lctodd1947 Level 2 Commenter 16 months ago

I love the way you have presented this aspect as it is informative and inspirational.

Thanks for sharing.

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jill of alltrades Level 3 Commenter 16 months ago

What a beautiful piece! The mind and thought process have always fascinated me. I felt like I was reading my own thoughts in this hub.

Thanks for sharing my friend!

Rated up and beautiful!

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TheMMAZone 16 months ago

I love the thoughts that this hub brings up! What a great topic.

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katiem2 16 months ago

I believe in inspired thought. I feel if we want to do something, believe we can, it will come to us. As Greek pointed out it's best to sleep with a pad and pen beside our bedside so's to write them down when they happen.

When the thought happens act on it!

Great topic! Very well done and thought provoking...

:) Katie

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Green Lotus Hub Author 16 months ago

fuscia - Very interesting perspective! Confidence also allows us to move forward with all those great ideas, bringing them into reality. Thanks for the comment.

Rhonda - Best wishes to you too and glad you found this worthwhile. I've put out a few other hubs on similar topics, but this one really made me think! Cheers.

jill - Your words are always so uplifting and sincere. Glad you found this both inspiring and relevant. Cheers!

ictodd- Good to see you again. I really appreciate your comment. The subject was so deep and the info "out there" (internet-wise), so mind-boggling and conflicting, it took forever for me to make sense of it all to feel confident in putting this one out. Thanks!

MMAzone - Nice to meet you here and hope your thoughts inspire greater ones! Cheers.

katie - Your words are always appreciated. Since I started writing on HP (and since good memory is becoming a memory)I keep that pen and pad (and cell phone with a flashlight app) right by the bedside :) Cheers!

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Tatjana-Mihaela 16 months ago

Yes, we can chose the source from which /at least part of/ our thoughts come from. Thank you for inspiration - your Hub is trully inspiring and beautiful.

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Nell Rose Level 8 Commenter 16 months ago

Hi, it is fascinating, I remember seeing a TV programme with a Dr. of Math who was wired up to a computer and was told to keep choosing left or right buttons on the seat, he was really disturbed to find out that the scientist doing the study, and was watching the pc readout, knew which ones he would pick 4 seconds before he did! it seems our memories and thoughts go through a process of at least 4 seconds before we realise that we are actually going to do it or say it! the Dr. of Math was trying to figure out if it was his 'soul' that told him and was disappointed to think that actually it was only his higher brain, he now thinks that we don't have a soul! I was yelling at the TV, 'for goodness sake, maybe it is his soul telling him! who knows? but it was fascinating! cheers nell

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Green Lotus Hub Author 16 months ago

Tatjana- It's always a pleasure to see you. It's strange to think that part of us is thinking what to think about, while the other part is acknowledging our thoughts!

Hi Nell - Those crafty laboratory technicians will get you every time! Great story! Cheers

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WE5 16 months ago

GL, another great hub! I like when my thoughts get kickstarted...and this hub did that. I often wondered that very same question and have come no closer to a real answer yet. I think I will have to give it some thought.lol.

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tonymac04 16 months ago

Wonderful and awesome Hub which I thoroughly enjoyed reading. I think the monism/dualism approaches are both incomplete and perhaps the idea of holism might be a more creative way of approaching these metaphysical questions. As people we are more than the sum of our parts. But what that "more" is is very hard to define.

Thanks for the stimulating Hub.

Love and peace

Tony

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rosiehoneywong 16 months ago

wild dreams are the extend of the daily thought. I can dream the stuff which i cant see in the real world, that is good

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Green Lotus Hub Author 16 months ago

WE5 - Inspiration is where it all great thinking begins and the more one explores, the more "aha" moments we experience. Thanks for checking this out!

Hi tonymac- I always appreciate your comments. The theories of monism and dualism have each evolved to the point that they share more premises than they dispute! I find modern idealism vs materialism to be a more timely argument as is fascinating concept of a universal pool of intelligence. Cheers!

rosiehoney - So nice to meet you. I too believe our dream state allows fresh ideas to emerge. Meditation can do the same. Thank you for stopping by to comment.

junko Level 5 Commenter 16 months ago

You brighted my thoughts about the possibility of America being like Egypt. That was three days ago. Today I need encourageing words from you to show I was wrong than and wrong now.

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Green Lotus Hub Author 16 months ago

junko- Most of my Hubs try to offer "encouraging words"! I hope to be of some inspiration and do appreciate your becoming one of my readers and fans. Cheers!

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tebo Level 2 Commenter 16 months ago

Great. I love this stuff.

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Green Lotus Hub Author 16 months ago

tebo- Much obliged and thanks for the visit. Cheers!

Marie Pinschmidt 16 months ago

Intriguing post and comments. I'm a writer, author, and oil painter and I'm often amazed how answers to a creative problem come to me in my sleep. I awaken with the solution clearly imprinted in my mind. Thank goodness!

Green Lotus, we can always use words of encouragement.

Nice writing.

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Green Lotus Hub Author 15 months ago

Marie thank you for your comment and for your inspiring words. I wonder, do us who work in the arts experience creative dreams more frequently than others?

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pol1ce 15 months ago

Nice, for me Thoughts came from a revision of thr images we have archived in our brain and pop up when we are unstable, like when we are in danger of losing our life our even dreaming.

Thz for the info.

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Green Lotus Hub Author 15 months ago

poIlce- wElcome and thanks for sharing your thoughts. Yours is a very interesting concept :)

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Shalini Kagal Level 4 Commenter 15 months ago

As always, fascinating, GL - your hubs make us think and I'm guessing that means plugging in and receiving thoughts from a bit further on than usual. I guess most of the time we limit our scope of 'thought-gathering' and if only we learn to free ourselves, what soaring heights may those thoughts not come to us from!

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Green Lotus Hub Author 15 months ago

shalini - Your comments are always uplifting and much appreciated. There's always stuff out there that we don't know about but it's even more intriguing to know there's stuff we haven't even begun to think about because we don't know about them yet! Cheers and Namaste :)

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rebekahELLE Level 5 Commenter 15 months ago

I finally made it here! I've been meaning to get over here and read this and I'm glad I did. I love hubs/articles about thoughts and where they come from. You've given us food for thought.. or reflection.

I don't think the mind can be separated from who we are, I think it actually encompasses our entire self. The brain is the computer storing files and sending out messages.

I wish sometimes we didn't have to spend so much time thinking.. I think we think too much, we over analyze instead of being quiet and letting the answers or solutions arise from within. I guess that's why we're encouraged to meditate and relax and refresh ourselves from too much thought stimulation!

Thanks for sharing, GL. It's always a pleasure. :)

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Green Lotus Hub Author 15 months ago

rebekah- I always appreciate your visits and savvy comments. On "overthinking", you are so right! Our minds have several "modes" one of them being the "think hard" mode. We too often go there when we're searching for the right answer or when we're trying to remember something, but it rarely works. I agree, we need to let go, relax and let our subconscious intelligence do the work which often produces better results! Cheers!

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IN2Deep 15 months ago

Very Interesting-> I Think I am always in the "Think Hard" mode and I always Over think- I am going to go back and re read-cause now I am really thinking about it

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Green Lotus Hub Author 15 months ago

LOL IN2Deep! I guess your name says it all! Thanks for stopping by here..much appreciated.

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vocalcoach Level 7 Commenter 15 months ago

I am always drawn to articles that "stimulate" my mind, and this one has done just that! I find, that the more knowledge I gain, the more I seek. Deepak Chopra is a favorite author of mine and has enfluenced my thought process, as have several others. I believe in exercising the mind and have seen the benefits that come from challenges on a regular basis. GL, your hub is fascinating! The level of your intellect intrigues me. I have the highest respect and regard for you. Stay close!

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Green Lotus Hub Author 15 months ago

You are such an inspiration vc. Much thanks for your comments which are beyond rewarding. And here's to Dr. Chopra, one of this century's most brilliant teachers.

AntonOfTheNorth 15 months ago

Still late to the party, but well . . .

"Where is the thinker of the thought?" Deepak Chopra

Also (I wish I had the specific reference here) in a National Geographic Article (about 2006ish), the prevaling theory about the brain and the mind went something like this.

The brain is the organ. The mind is an activity, not an artifact. Just like blood circulation is the activity of the heart and digestion is the activity of the stomach, mind is the activity of the brain. You don't find mind in the brain. Mind is what the brain does. And like ripples in the pond, it continues long after the pebble stops moving on the bottom.

cheers

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Green Lotus Hub Author 15 months ago

Anton - Never too late! I've read that wonderful quote by Deepak and remember that his theory is that the 'thinker' does not necessarily reside within the brain, but resides somewhere in the universe. We are, he maintains all just a brilliant hologram of our real selves. I love it. I hadn't heard the other quote, but saying "You don't find mind in the brain" simply puts it another way. Cheers!

micheal mitchell 5 months ago

i think way to much i dont know were i get any of my thoughts but i know that some of them are really smart ideas, like if you think about it, most people believe that our thoughts originate from our brains but then you have to believe that tv shows have to come from inside the tv set.

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Green Lotus Hub Author 5 months ago

Micheal Mitchell - That's a great analogy and a great thought. I appreciate the comment and the visit.

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